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we have even published her own study on the deficit, copies of which are available here today. we look forward to continuing this conversation, keeping the dialogue ongoing over the next month and it's critical and we want to solve this problem and we think it will be very enlightening on what the issues are. with that i'm going to turn it over to you in the panel. thank you very much. >> can everybody hear? [inaudible] we do have an all-star panel. tim pawlenty the former governor of minnesota, i wrote that i thought he would have made the strongest presidential candidate. tim is now the head of the financial services roundtable, a job he took a month or two ago and he will be a huge player in washington. chris i have to say, first of all you kept two-thirds of your own district but your margins didn't go down at all. maybe a little bit. i know the county, one county represents for my son as and let's just say -- is a liberal but he did an incredible job. two senators now and on mars reminded when bob dole left the house to go to the senate, the single act -- [inaudible] bob c
we have even published her own study on the deficit, copies of which are available here today. we look forward to continuing this conversation, keeping the dialogue ongoing over the next month and it's critical and we want to solve this problem and we think it will be very enlightening on what the issues are. with that i'm going to turn it over to you in the panel. thank you very much. >> can everybody hear? [inaudible] we do have an all-star panel. tim pawlenty the former governor of...
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there is going to be more talks going into 2013 on tax reform and dealing with the deficit further. >> reporter: bob cusack thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. jon: let's talk a little bit more about the pickle that house speaker john boehner is in. he's struggling to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. he's facing growing criticism from members of his own party, the speaker removing four conservative congressman from key committees, the move seen by some as a way to close ranks over a potential fiscal cliff deal with the white house. outside conservative groups are voicing their displeasure saying speaker john boehner could even lose his speakership. carl cameron joins us live in washington. so he has a lot of problems with conservatives right now, car. >> reporter: sure it's not just off the hill. some of the members on the hill. fiscal conservatives are once again whispering, in some cases outwardly and openly explaining about house speaker john boehner and his handling of the negotiations with the white house. john boehner's proposal to increase revenu
there is going to be more talks going into 2013 on tax reform and dealing with the deficit further. >> reporter: bob cusack thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. jon: let's talk a little bit more about the pickle that house speaker john boehner is in. he's struggling to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. he's facing growing criticism from members of his own party, the speaker removing four conservative congressman from key committees, the move seen by...
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the one approach says we've got this deficit problem, and we want to address it. the other is the norquist approach, which is really more about reducing government to its irreducible core. and that is an indiscriminate sort of slashing. that's the wrong path for the country. and that's the path we can't take. >> things have changed so much since i was there. you talk about discretionary versus mandatory. when i was there back in the '90s, you could actually go after discretionary spending and move towards a balanced budget. we're way past that now. you're talking about 11% for domestic discretionary spending. that means everything, outside of defense, outside of medicare, outside of medicaid, outside of social security. that's about 85% of the budget. >> and we just made some pretty deep cuts last summer. >> right. so when you have a party saying we're going to balance the budget by going after education, transportation, r&d, i mean, energy, you're basically going after your seed corn while china is doubling on education. china is doubling down on r&d. china is do
the one approach says we've got this deficit problem, and we want to address it. the other is the norquist approach, which is really more about reducing government to its irreducible core. and that is an indiscriminate sort of slashing. that's the wrong path for the country. and that's the path we can't take. >> things have changed so much since i was there. you talk about discretionary versus mandatory. when i was there back in the '90s, you could actually go after discretionary spending...
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the american indian tribe and they honored the president by giving him his own indian name running deficit. [ laughter ] >> the nation's debt is no laughing matter. lou dobbs will tell you why we are all in grave danger because of out-of-control government spending. three wise men, what did they do? >> jesse watters quizes the folks about christmas. >> they brought frankincense, miles an mur and. >> baby diapers? >> a wild wild waters world upcoming. >> caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone from california. factor begins right now. hi i'm bill o'reilly reporting from los angeles, thanks for watching us tonight. i'm here to do the leno program this evening. during the long flight across country, i had a chance to analyze something very important to you. all of us needs to wise up and fast. you may have heard the story of new york city police officer who spent $100 of his own money to give bare foot man some boots. that man jeffrey hillman lying in the street when officer deprimo spotted him. >> it was extremely cold that night and you see this gentleman i tried to offer him to bu
the american indian tribe and they honored the president by giving him his own indian name running deficit. [ laughter ] >> the nation's debt is no laughing matter. lou dobbs will tell you why we are all in grave danger because of out-of-control government spending. three wise men, what did they do? >> jesse watters quizes the folks about christmas. >> they brought frankincense, miles an mur and. >> baby diapers? >> a wild wild waters world upcoming. >>...
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. >> bob: can you tell us 30 seconds to tell us how to get the deficit down? >> greg: stop spending. >> bob: i get that. >> eric: i don't need 30 seconds. go over the fiscal cliff. take $1.2 trillion out of spending and tax hikes, stops the spending. mandatory spending cuts across the board. you know what? the only way to do it. only way to do it. everything else is chump change. >> dana: how do you deal with deficit reduction if you raise the taxes on a portion of the country that will pay for the government for 8.5 days? >> bob: you couple that with the social security adjustments and medicare. 'canes that is not what geithner put on the table. >> dana: that is going to be on -- >> bob: that is what is going to be on the table. >> dana: republicans held their feet on the fire. >> bob: whatever it took. >> greg: i used to think howard dean was a proctologist because he had his head up his butt but he pulled the curtain back. it's never about raising taxes on the rich because you run out of rich. >> andrea: right. >> greg: that is the point. >> eric: raise tax
. >> bob: can you tell us 30 seconds to tell us how to get the deficit down? >> greg: stop spending. >> bob: i get that. >> eric: i don't need 30 seconds. go over the fiscal cliff. take $1.2 trillion out of spending and tax hikes, stops the spending. mandatory spending cuts across the board. you know what? the only way to do it. only way to do it. everything else is chump change. >> dana: how do you deal with deficit reduction if you raise the taxes on a portion of...
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the problem is the deficit. i know i've gotten a lot of hate mail from both the right and the left -- >> no, you're being honest. >> the fact of the matter is, we have to balance the budget. we've been in an economic recovery for three years. we're not where we ought to be. the longer you put this big deficit on, the harder it's going to be later on. >> katie, i'm sorry but lost you for a minute. i'm worried, katie, because the gop is in an unenviable political position after the election, because they're not talking about enough spending and entitlement cuts, what you hear is defending tax cuts for the rich. in other words, the gop is becoming the party of rich people and that's not where they ought to be. >> the problem is marketing. and republicans have had a big problem with marketing since the ronald reagan days. they need to get on the ground and talk about how these tax cuts affecting the rich will affect the middle class. democrats have been getting away with saying that the rich are the ones who need to
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. >> it's true when bill clinton left office in 2000 we had you are plus and the deficit would have been eliminated as we sit here today what changed that was the republican president and congress. what put us on the path we are on now is not democrats. we would have no collective debt at all if we had left in place the clinton budgetary strategy. megyn: what do you make of that quote. >> what i'm responding to is i think what we are dealing with is a tell poar a temporal thing. it would drive the markets down and create say could and uncertainty. the president is saying we can't go through that again. megyn: he's wanting not only to raise it but to have uniform authority to raise. a fewer years ago they were saying that was a failure of leadership. >> he may not get it but he's right to argue that way the republicans have been doing this has been irresponsible. let's get this done in the way our democracy has worked the for hundreds of years. not this new extraordinary thing. i think he's right to put pressure on the republicans. megyn: i thought it was the democrats trying to make this
. >> it's true when bill clinton left office in 2000 we had you are plus and the deficit would have been eliminated as we sit here today what changed that was the republican president and congress. what put us on the path we are on now is not democrats. we would have no collective debt at all if we had left in place the clinton budgetary strategy. megyn: what do you make of that quote. >> what i'm responding to is i think what we are dealing with is a tell poar a temporal thing. it...
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i think that is not just true for the affect on the deficit, but because the deficit is being monatized at this point in time through quantitative easing it can result in great h greater inflation down the road. he would have thought this is not a time to raise taxes, this is a time to cut government spending. we don't want to have a larger government deficit and this is the course that would lead to the greatest prosperity in the economy. he would not have agreed that if we go over the fiscal cliff that that would have a negative impact on the economy, he would say rather that by bringing the deficit down, by having the prospect of lower inflation in the future, that will be good for interest rates and that would be good for the economy in the coming years. jenna: what would he say to those american citizens, though, that say, listen, over the fiscal cliff, i'm afraid of that, i don't even want to entertain the possibilities of what that would look like. >> i think when it comes to issues such as the extension of unemployment benefits, social security, medicare, freidman would have arg
i think that is not just true for the affect on the deficit, but because the deficit is being monatized at this point in time through quantitative easing it can result in great h greater inflation down the road. he would have thought this is not a time to raise taxes, this is a time to cut government spending. we don't want to have a larger government deficit and this is the course that would lead to the greatest prosperity in the economy. he would not have agreed that if we go over the fiscal...
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on this morning, whom i have great respect for, he had the piece from the imf study when you cut the deficit by 1%, what is the impact on the gdp. they didn't get into that this morning but if his numbers he's using 0.9 to 1.4, if you lose 2% to 3% of gdp you'll go to negative growth which will impact -- >> at the very least the wheels will be on the runway. >> absolutely. >> let's switch gears, mario draghi today, listen, i was so wrong and i don't know how long it will last but i give him credit, at least for this period of time, how long it lasts because there is no growth and recession in europe i can't answer but what were your observations on that press conference? >> last night when i wrote about it, mario draghi can put his feet up and have a stella and enjoy. he bought himself time. july 6th will be mario draghi's day of celebration because he stemmed the financial crisis in europe and bought time. berlusconi comes onto the scene this morning with the politics and italian debt markets paid a price for it, it's coming back as we're talking, rallied back quite a bit in the ten-year bo
on this morning, whom i have great respect for, he had the piece from the imf study when you cut the deficit by 1%, what is the impact on the gdp. they didn't get into that this morning but if his numbers he's using 0.9 to 1.4, if you lose 2% to 3% of gdp you'll go to negative growth which will impact -- >> at the very least the wheels will be on the runway. >> absolutely. >> let's switch gears, mario draghi today, listen, i was so wrong and i don't know how long it will last...
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we are a deficit -- we're in deficit of $1.1 trillion, if that isn't a stimulus, the drinks are on me. that's what that is. and unless you get in there, people are going to say, i've got an idea for you, you're addicted to debt, we're going to loan you more, and when we do that, interest rates will kick up and inflation will kick in and guess who gets hurt the worst? the middle guy, the middle class. >> it's not thee yatrics on the part of congress, but they're confused. isn't that pathetic? >> i don't know, a lot of people are confused, especially the people who don't understand what's coming before december 31st. what's different is they dug their own snare. they put the chain on their own ankles, they have to do something before december 31st, before you get a mindless cut of $600 billion in defense. you've got the payroll tax you've got to bring back from 4.2 to 6.2. where the hell was the aarp when they cut the payroll tax? madness is half a word. these guys if you gave them 90% of them a profit loss statement in one hand and a balance statement in the other, they wouldn't know h
we are a deficit -- we're in deficit of $1.1 trillion, if that isn't a stimulus, the drinks are on me. that's what that is. and unless you get in there, people are going to say, i've got an idea for you, you're addicted to debt, we're going to loan you more, and when we do that, interest rates will kick up and inflation will kick in and guess who gets hurt the worst? the middle guy, the middle class. >> it's not thee yatrics on the part of congress, but they're confused. isn't that...
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you can look at -- >> i agree. >> stephanie: tax cuts proveably caused these deficits. the social security does not -- doesn't add a cent to the deficit. >> i ran on this in a conservative district very clearly stated my position that i did not want to. i had to last time when the president asked us to, to extend all of the taxes for one year and that was a darn bitter pill for me to swallow. i was one of the democrats that voted on to get it through. i'm not going to do it again. it doesn't add to the economy and those top 2 don't need to get done. we all do agree on the bottom ones and i just -- i think now they've got themselves in a pretty tight box. i hope you keep beating the drum on this. >> stephanie: i think you're a helper. you're giving them an out. >> always the helpful teacher. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: representative tim walz of the great state of representative, thank you. talk to you soon. >> thank you. >> stephanie: you know what he is? he's someone who gets it done. brought to you by granger. >> oh, my god! >> stephanie: that's right. with over 900,00
you can look at -- >> i agree. >> stephanie: tax cuts proveably caused these deficits. the social security does not -- doesn't add a cent to the deficit. >> i ran on this in a conservative district very clearly stated my position that i did not want to. i had to last time when the president asked us to, to extend all of the taxes for one year and that was a darn bitter pill for me to swallow. i was one of the democrats that voted on to get it through. i'm not going to do it...
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reduction plan that hits the numbers that are required for us to stabilize our debt and deficits. and -- [. [no audio] kwroe. jenna: we gave it our best shot. sometimes we can't do it. the president speaking at the white house at the business roundtable about the economy. fiscal cliff certainly the issue in the short term for a lot of big businesses and certainly for a lot of american taxpayers. however, long term is another story when it comes to the economy, and entitlements, the president referring to that as well. as we continue to get that feedback you can check it out foxnews.com, in the meantime we're going to move onto other news as well. >> reporter: and so let's begin with the violence that is appearing to really spiral out of control. secretary of state hillary clinton says she fears a desperate president bashar al-assad in syria may resort to using chemical weapons on his own people. in the meantime, the united nations is hint thag there wil hinting that there will be no asylum for bashar al-assad as the syrian dictator makes it clear that he will die before leaving th
reduction plan that hits the numbers that are required for us to stabilize our debt and deficits. and -- [. [no audio] kwroe. jenna: we gave it our best shot. sometimes we can't do it. the president speaking at the white house at the business roundtable about the economy. fiscal cliff certainly the issue in the short term for a lot of big businesses and certainly for a lot of american taxpayers. however, long term is another story when it comes to the economy, and entitlements, the president...
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should you say you're cutting the deficit $800 billion? the real issue is this. if we're going to get serious about negotiating, okay? we can have programs that aren't on the books anymore now, i understand that we're not spending that money, but when you come to the table to rise above for a compromise, don't bring me air and say, see? i'm not spending this, so it's a savings. it's only a saving when you hear the scissors cutting through it, carl. so people need to get real on both sides of the aisle and address real, not baseline, real savings by cutting spending. back to you. >> rick, is that real money you're cutting up down there? >> you know what? even though this is one of the last bastions of capitalism, those were not real benjamin frank lynn. so, see? i'm ready for negotiation. put me on the team. i just did a lot of cuts that mean nothing. boy, how much did i save us over ten year. >>> thank you, rick. more santelli in the third hour. >>> still ahead, of course, live coverage of president obama's remarks on the fiscal cliff and the negotiations before
should you say you're cutting the deficit $800 billion? the real issue is this. if we're going to get serious about negotiating, okay? we can have programs that aren't on the books anymore now, i understand that we're not spending that money, but when you come to the table to rise above for a compromise, don't bring me air and say, see? i'm not spending this, so it's a savings. it's only a saving when you hear the scissors cutting through it, carl. so people need to get real on both sides of...
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last year the deficit was 7.9%. this year with the apf coupons it is forecast to be 6.9%, but that excludes the aspect of the royal mail pension access. it will fall to 5.2% the year after, 4.2 president in 2015-'16, before reaching 1.6% in 2017-'18. in 2009-'10 the country was borrowing 159 billion pounds. this year we are borrowing 108 billion pounds. that is forecast to fall to 99 billion next year, 88 billion the year after, then 73 billion in 2015-'16 and 49 billion and 31 billion in the two years around that. these are the central forecasts published by the opr with the asset purchase facility cash transfer included. when the transfer is excluded, as we show in the document, the deficit also falls from 7.9% last year to 7.7% this year, then 6.9% next year and falls in every single year after that. and cash borrowing falls in every year as well. now, there are those who have been saying that the deficit was going up this year. indeed, i think i heard it in prime minister's questions. but any way you present the
last year the deficit was 7.9%. this year with the apf coupons it is forecast to be 6.9%, but that excludes the aspect of the royal mail pension access. it will fall to 5.2% the year after, 4.2 president in 2015-'16, before reaching 1.6% in 2017-'18. in 2009-'10 the country was borrowing 159 billion pounds. this year we are borrowing 108 billion pounds. that is forecast to fall to 99 billion next year, 88 billion the year after, then 73 billion in 2015-'16 and 49 billion and 31 billion in the...
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but you've got to be committed to some kind of real deficit reduction. and that's where, beyond the spending, being serious about entitlements, there's got to at least be some framework that says, look, we are going to reduce the size and the scope of government. and that's -- finding that pain point on both sides so it's not a lopsided deal will at least give republicans the room to argue, look, we can take this pain. we've won some concessions back, but we have to do this. >> that should be done in private and together. >> and again, though, the ratio between tax increases to spending cuts is a wide, wide gap. medicare and medicaid and social security together, taken with interest and the debt, that's consuming every dime that's coming into washington, d.c., right now. people talk about -- democrats have talked about for a decade, the bush tax cuts. they've driven up the national debt. fine. if that's the case, why is it that the president, as you've said earlier, is embracing 98% of the bush tax cuts? >> except that isn't true. >> of course it's not t
but you've got to be committed to some kind of real deficit reduction. and that's where, beyond the spending, being serious about entitlements, there's got to at least be some framework that says, look, we are going to reduce the size and the scope of government. and that's -- finding that pain point on both sides so it's not a lopsided deal will at least give republicans the room to argue, look, we can take this pain. we've won some concessions back, but we have to do this. >> that...
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how will you stop us from going over the fiscal cliff and will it involve significant deficit reduction. the president said i thought twitter was supposed to be fun. where are all of the crazy video. twitter boring. >> gretchen: it is an interesting concept instead of spending time twittering why not go and lead the discussion between the parties. >> steve: or the president went golfing three or four times . it would be great if he went golfing with john boehner. >> gretchen: as hong as they don't ask. here are the headlines. a scare for franky muniz who rose to fame for malkare olm in the middle. >> it is the video . desense -- desensitized to violence. how many have you had. >> gretchen: the 26 year old recovering after suffering from a min i stroke. they are awaiting results. they noticed that nuniz had trouble understanding word and speaking. >> brian: he has to take better care of himself. >> steve: meanwhile, a mother could face crimminal charges if she doesn't bring her daughter back to the hospital. cops are searching for 11 year old emily who suffers from leukemia. her mom remo
how will you stop us from going over the fiscal cliff and will it involve significant deficit reduction. the president said i thought twitter was supposed to be fun. where are all of the crazy video. twitter boring. >> gretchen: it is an interesting concept instead of spending time twittering why not go and lead the discussion between the parties. >> steve: or the president went golfing three or four times . it would be great if he went golfing with john boehner. >> gretchen:...
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. >> reporter: that plan sent to the white house offers a total of $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction over the next decade. that includes $1.2 trillion in spending cuts and $800 billion in new tax revenue, but here's the key. no rate increases in the top 2% of taxpayers. that's non-negotiable for president obama. >> we're not going to be able to got a deal without it. >> reporter: the white house says the republicans' math just doesn't add up. >> it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> reporter: negotiations have reached a stalemate. >> there's nothing going on privately that is not going on publicly. >> reporter: there is no plan at this time for congressional leaders to meet with the president at the white house, and it doesn't sound like he's sending out invitations any time soon. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. >> reporter: earlier, the president met with the bipartisan group of governors. >> we understand this will be a shared sacrifice, you have to look at spending cuts. states are willing to do more with less. >> the governors didn't endo
. >> reporter: that plan sent to the white house offers a total of $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction over the next decade. that includes $1.2 trillion in spending cuts and $800 billion in new tax revenue, but here's the key. no rate increases in the top 2% of taxpayers. that's non-negotiable for president obama. >> we're not going to be able to got a deal without it. >> reporter: the white house says the republicans' math just doesn't add up. >> it's magic beans and...
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but anyway, the deficit is clearly not going to achieve getting rid of that in a five-year period. many estimates believe that in 2013-2014, the next fiscal year, it's going to be around 7%. that's better than the 11% inherited by this government, but will be a couple points worse than greece and spain. so that's a big negative for george osbourne. another one will be getting the percentage of debt compared with gdp in the country, getting that down within a five-year period, getting it syncing in the right direction. he thought it was going to peek around 75%, 75%. it looks like it could go up even further. so let's see what he says on that front today. in terms of options, he has very few options indeed because this is a government which as we know has set its fallout on plan a. and yet, are we seeing real austerity? i'm not entirely sure. government borrowing this fiscal year so far in the five months that we have figures for already is 26.7% higher than the same period a year ago. the idea originally this year was for flat spending and then getting it down there after. and he's
but anyway, the deficit is clearly not going to achieve getting rid of that in a five-year period. many estimates believe that in 2013-2014, the next fiscal year, it's going to be around 7%. that's better than the 11% inherited by this government, but will be a couple points worse than greece and spain. so that's a big negative for george osbourne. another one will be getting the percentage of debt compared with gdp in the country, getting that down within a five-year period, getting it syncing...
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, the amount of the deficit itself. as governors we try to find common ground issues that we can bring to the president to speaker boehner, to leader reid to talk about and say, we want to grow our economy. we want to create jobs. we understand these are tough decisions that have to be made. we understand there whim be cuts on the federal side. the states will have a shared responsibility with those cuts. we have some specific things that we have suggested to the president. we'll suggest later on today to congress to give them some ideas of ways we think governors can help and also we think it's important that the governors have a seat at the table because ultimately it's the states that will also feel the effect of what happens in washington, d.c. >> you made that point, governor. i'm curious about the line in the sand for the president, and i'm sure he expressed his thoughts on the tax rate for those who make over $250,000. that revenue is needed. without, i guess, endorsing one plan over the other, where do you stand
, the amount of the deficit itself. as governors we try to find common ground issues that we can bring to the president to speaker boehner, to leader reid to talk about and say, we want to grow our economy. we want to create jobs. we understand these are tough decisions that have to be made. we understand there whim be cuts on the federal side. the states will have a shared responsibility with those cuts. we have some specific things that we have suggested to the president. we'll suggest later...
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so we're going to be in the 20s as far as deficits going forward. i think they're taunting markets. i'm hoping we don't wake up one day and markets look at what is going on here and fire right back at them. tracy: you know what? you're not wrong. that is going to happen. between that and the bond bubble bursting we have a lot to look forward to in the new year. gary kaltbaum, kaltbaum capital management. >> my pleasure, thank you. ashley: every deal is a scam, a shell game and he's right. tracy: yeah. ashley: guess what? banks are bouncing back. the third quarter proving very profitable for some of the industry's biggest names but are we out of the woods just yet? gerri willis joins us ahead to talk about that. tracy: first as we do every day at this time of day look how oil is trading. it is basically flat. $88.82 a barrel. we'll be right back. ashley: it is time to make money with charles payne. this hour we're looking at pet health specialists pet med express. charles, how fat is joe is the question? tracy: ah, fat joe. >> fat joe. i told tracy, i don't know if i told you about a
so we're going to be in the 20s as far as deficits going forward. i think they're taunting markets. i'm hoping we don't wake up one day and markets look at what is going on here and fire right back at them. tracy: you know what? you're not wrong. that is going to happen. between that and the bond bubble bursting we have a lot to look forward to in the new year. gary kaltbaum, kaltbaum capital management. >> my pleasure, thank you. ashley: every deal is a scam, a shell game and he's right....
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and the chancellor of the -- the finance minister has now warned that he won't meet his deficit targets for austerity will have to continue. we expect higher taxes on the rich tomorrow, cuts in public spending, and in this environment the multinationals like google, amazon, starbucks, are very firmly in the firing line. after all what better than to attack big corporate america. and they're being told, smell the coffee. i can play that game, too, michael. >> wake up and smell the coffee. always good to see you, mr. quest. always making it simple for us. richard quest in london. probably didn't pay for that coffee. >>> over the weekend, the palestinians celebrated their new status recognized by the united nations. the joy short-lived. how israel's decision to pursue even more settlements in the west bank and east jerusalem may kill any hopes of peace. we'll dive deep lie into this issue. >>> rp says it's not changing plans for the controversial housing development in east of jerusalem also developments in east jerusalem. this is despite getting a diplomatic mackdown recently from austral
and the chancellor of the -- the finance minister has now warned that he won't meet his deficit targets for austerity will have to continue. we expect higher taxes on the rich tomorrow, cuts in public spending, and in this environment the multinationals like google, amazon, starbucks, are very firmly in the firing line. after all what better than to attack big corporate america. and they're being told, smell the coffee. i can play that game, too, michael. >> wake up and smell the coffee....
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we won't be able to achieve a significant balanced approach to the deficit. it does have some revenue in it, even though it's not from tax increases. so what does this opening offer say about where we are in these negotiations? >> well, it seems very difficult to imagine that we're going to be getting to a deal that will handle everything that needs to be addressed before the end of the year. i think the first main thing that needs to be addressed is the question of the tax cuts expiring. and for the obama administration, the question is, is it in their interest to trade tax cuts for the wealthy? increase for the wealthy for raising the age for eligibility for medicare, for example. i'm not sure that that's a trade that they are eager to make immediately. >> let me show you the side by side comparison. the president wants $1.6 trillion in revenue and republicans want to cap the same deductions for the rich but republicans want to change the age to 67 and change the way they calculate social security payments. i wonder, though, when we look at these numbers, a
we won't be able to achieve a significant balanced approach to the deficit. it does have some revenue in it, even though it's not from tax increases. so what does this opening offer say about where we are in these negotiations? >> well, it seems very difficult to imagine that we're going to be getting to a deal that will handle everything that needs to be addressed before the end of the year. i think the first main thing that needs to be addressed is the question of the tax cuts expiring....
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what the outlying house republican states is $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction. that includes 1.2 trillion in spending cuts. $800 billion in new revenue. optimistic projections. and $200 billion in other measures, such as adjusting the consumer price index. but house republicans say if the president doesn't like this, it's incumbent upon him to offer a plan that can make it through the house and the senate. >> the white house says they want to see the republicans first say that tax rates are going to go up. is there any prospect of a face-to-face meeting between the president and house speaker john boehner in the coming days? and how are they getting along these days? >> reporter: it's unclear how well they're getting along. but speaker boehner did come to the white house for the party at the white house. for the annual congressional party for christmas. but this year, speaker boehner did not pose for a photograph with president obama. that raised some eyebrows certainly. it doesn't seem the two are getting along very well. but at some point, president obama will
what the outlying house republican states is $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction. that includes 1.2 trillion in spending cuts. $800 billion in new revenue. optimistic projections. and $200 billion in other measures, such as adjusting the consumer price index. but house republicans say if the president doesn't like this, it's incumbent upon him to offer a plan that can make it through the house and the senate. >> the white house says they want to see the republicans first say that tax rates...
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that still leaves a trillion dollars deficit. get serious. former ways and means committee chairman congressman bill archer joins us tonight at 7:00 eastern. stuart: well, the tax on dividends is going to go up next year. maybe by 3.8%. maybe by a whole lot more. depending on the fiscal cliff. larry ellison, top guy at oracle, he had an early dividend payout. he got a check for almost 200 million dollars. he saves 56 million by not getting that money next year. liz? liz: yeah, this is true for a lot of companies. it's the insiders who own stock in the companies that are making these moves. the so-called 1%. you know it is within their rights to do it. but what bothers me are those who say we must pay our fair share, the executives who are for, you know, raising taxes, that we have to sacrifice, and then they are avoiding higher taxes in obama care, as you point out over the break, nothing to do with the fiscal cliff, it is with health reform that they are avoiding. david: and these are the same people, the people who say we should pay more mo
that still leaves a trillion dollars deficit. get serious. former ways and means committee chairman congressman bill archer joins us tonight at 7:00 eastern. stuart: well, the tax on dividends is going to go up next year. maybe by 3.8%. maybe by a whole lot more. depending on the fiscal cliff. larry ellison, top guy at oracle, he had an early dividend payout. he got a check for almost 200 million dollars. he saves 56 million by not getting that money next year. liz? liz: yeah, this is true for...
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our deficit is $1 trillion. soledad, that's the problem. republicans have put forward budgets, voted for them, willing to be held accountable. democrats have not. president obama has not. >> you won't vote for them. >> nor have any democrats. >> democrats have voted for those budgets and supported those budgets. >> zero to 610 is the vote total of the last three votes on his last three budgets, 0-610. do you think that's a serious proposal? president obama, show us your plan. >> he can't show you a plan he gave you a plan. his plan is not to repeal obamacare. not going to happen. you lost the election, buddy. >> we are out of time. we need to take bob shrum's coffee away, bring everybody back down. we appreciate your time, senator. i love you hashing the numbers with him. he always comes ready to lay it out. >> political reality, it is a very different world than he is laying out. republicans won't consider raising the top rates, it is not your choice anymore. they are going up unless you make a deal that the president accepts. >>> believe
our deficit is $1 trillion. soledad, that's the problem. republicans have put forward budgets, voted for them, willing to be held accountable. democrats have not. president obama has not. >> you won't vote for them. >> nor have any democrats. >> democrats have voted for those budgets and supported those budgets. >> zero to 610 is the vote total of the last three votes on his last three budgets, 0-610. do you think that's a serious proposal? president obama, show us your...
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you're not going to -- >> i'm also a deficit hawk, joe. >> you are a deficit hawk. and, howard, i know obama won the election, but in this country you need the house to vote on something to make it law, and if they just say no the 39.6 on the high end, if you just let -- go over the cliff, it's going to 39.6. there would be in discussing it. it's going there. >> let's be fair about this. i mean, what i'm proposing is not -- neither the republicans nor the democrats like. because not only does it go to 39.6 on the wealthy which i support, but it also goes back to what people were paying when bill clinton was president for the middle-class and the truth of the matter is no matter what people said in the election, you cannot solve this deficit problem without everybody paying more taxes not just rich people. >> you can go to 100% and not 39.6. you'd like to in a perfect world, i know you, you would like to go to 100%. but you're not going to be able to do that. >> only on television personality. >> you go from raising, like, $80 billion a year which on a trillion dolla
you're not going to -- >> i'm also a deficit hawk, joe. >> you are a deficit hawk. and, howard, i know obama won the election, but in this country you need the house to vote on something to make it law, and if they just say no the 39.6 on the high end, if you just let -- go over the cliff, it's going to 39.6. there would be in discussing it. it's going there. >> let's be fair about this. i mean, what i'm proposing is not -- neither the republicans nor the democrats like....
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the republicans plan would cut $2.2 trillion from the deficit, which is about $600 billion more than the president's plan. it would raise the eligibility age for medicare from 65 to 67. and lower the annual cost of living increases for social security benefits. south carolina senator lindsey graham says those two programs have to be brought under control. >> if we adjusted the age of retirement over the next 30 years like ronald reagan and tip o'neil adjusted the cpi index and means tested benefits, we could save medicare and social security from insolvency and people need the programs. the good news is, we would get our kids and grandkids out of the situation of becoming greece. >> the president's aides not surprisingly quickly rejected the plan which republicans say would bring in $800 billion in higher tax revenue without raising rates. white house communications director said, quote, it actually promises to lower rates for the wealthy and sticks the middle class with the bill. press secretary jay carney said mr. obama is determined to phase out the bush administration tax cuts fo
the republicans plan would cut $2.2 trillion from the deficit, which is about $600 billion more than the president's plan. it would raise the eligibility age for medicare from 65 to 67. and lower the annual cost of living increases for social security benefits. south carolina senator lindsey graham says those two programs have to be brought under control. >> if we adjusted the age of retirement over the next 30 years like ronald reagan and tip o'neil adjusted the cpi index and means...
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obama administration proposal last week, house republicans offered an outline for $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction, mostly through spending cuts. and while president obama would not answer questions about the counterproposal -- >> no deal better than a bad deal, sir? >> reporter: -- a senior white house official assailed it as a step backward, saying if republicans do not agree to some higher rates for wealthier taxpayer, the nation will go over the cliff, and the american people will hold the republicans responsible. wall street remains optimistic a deal will be struck. so the lack of progress is not yet resulted in a market plunge. but some economists estimate that because of the uncertainty posed by the fiscal cliff, at least 200,000 fewer jobs have been created this year. the official deadline is december 31st at midnight when the ball drops in times square. the deadline is before that, a week from friday when the house of representatives is scheduled to go on vacation. in actuality there are fewer than 11 days before they need to work out a deal. jake tapper, abc new, the white hous
obama administration proposal last week, house republicans offered an outline for $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction, mostly through spending cuts. and while president obama would not answer questions about the counterproposal -- >> no deal better than a bad deal, sir? >> reporter: -- a senior white house official assailed it as a step backward, saying if republicans do not agree to some higher rates for wealthier taxpayer, the nation will go over the cliff, and the american people...
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the thing i'm sure of is that we got to end up with at least $4 trillion of deficit reduction. some of that's got to come from revenues. i guarantee you the white house isn't going to do a deal unless it has an increase in tax rates for part of that revenue. i'm assuming that the republicans are going to insist that there be more cuts on the health care entitlements than what's been put on the table to date. >> ifill: here's the difference between what we're seeing now and what happens when i put my house on the market. at the end of this year there will be consequences. it's unclear... in the past when these consequences or these deadlines have arisen they've just put them off. that's how we got to where we are today. are you confident, as confident that they will actually come up with a permanent solution before this deadline or that they'll just... >> we can't kick it down the road. that would be disaster. look, this is is the magic moment. we have a second-term democrat president who has put entitlements on the table with special physicianitey. we have a republican speaker
the thing i'm sure of is that we got to end up with at least $4 trillion of deficit reduction. some of that's got to come from revenues. i guarantee you the white house isn't going to do a deal unless it has an increase in tax rates for part of that revenue. i'm assuming that the republicans are going to insist that there be more cuts on the health care entitlements than what's been put on the table to date. >> ifill: here's the difference between what we're seeing now and what happens...
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based on the recommendations of the president's deficit reduction commission but the president could disagree. the republicans say the plan would raise $800 million through tax reform but not by phasing out the upper income bush tax cuts and before the plan was announced, white house press secretary insisted the rates will not make it to the new year. >> he will not sign a bill that extends those tax rates for the top 2 percent. we cannot afford it. it is not wise economic policy. not wise fiscal policy. it would defeat the principle of balance that he has embraced. >> the president wrapped up an hour long twitter session promoting what he called a balanced approach, as far as deficit reduction. >>shepard: is this posturing? >>reporter: well, it is, this great measure. each side wants to blame the other. and not just if we go over the cliff, but if they do reach an agreement, each side wants the other to take the blame for the parts of the ultimate compromise their constituents don't like. right now the negotiations are nowhere, and the white house has not put a serious offer on the
based on the recommendations of the president's deficit reduction commission but the president could disagree. the republicans say the plan would raise $800 million through tax reform but not by phasing out the upper income bush tax cuts and before the plan was announced, white house press secretary insisted the rates will not make it to the new year. >> he will not sign a bill that extends those tax rates for the top 2 percent. we cannot afford it. it is not wise economic policy. not...
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house says is less of an offer and the same position the administration staked out in its jobs bill and deficit proposal over the last couple years. half trillion in tax increases or trillion and a half in tax increases, $600 billion in spending cuts, more spending, and a permanent increase in the debt ceiling. on fox news sunday, boehner called that deal a joke. >> just flabbergasted. i looked, and said, you can't be serious? i just never seen anything like it. we got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. three of those weeks have been wasted with the nonsense. >> okay. you heard them, the first time in two decades now, acknowledge they want revenues up as the balanced plan, a good first steppedded, but they have to say what they do operates and revenues. that's hard for republicans. >> runs of billions of spending cuts, tax increases begin in less than a month, and with the negotiations, two sides are about where they started. still, aids say it's early to be moving to an agreement with plenty of time for each side to extract the best deal possible before selling it to the
house says is less of an offer and the same position the administration staked out in its jobs bill and deficit proposal over the last couple years. half trillion in tax increases or trillion and a half in tax increases, $600 billion in spending cuts, more spending, and a permanent increase in the debt ceiling. on fox news sunday, boehner called that deal a joke. >> just flabbergasted. i looked, and said, you can't be serious? i just never seen anything like it. we got seven weeks between...
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we know we cannot deal with a serious deficit problem in this country as well as meeting our obligation to americans as well as making sure we protect the middle class. so he's put out a serious proposal of revenues and spending cuts and economic growth that does strengthen the middle class and get that economic growth. that's perfectly good starting point. the fact that speaker boehner rejected that, we're in a tough spot right now. what the republican leadership in the house has to do is say look here's what we want to do, here's what we believe we should do. they have to understand that the president won, the democrats gained seats in the house and the senate. the american people have said find that common ground, the beginning of that common ground is make sure we protect the tax cuts for the middle class. make sure we don't hurt the fragile economic recovery in the short term and let's deal with protecting medicare and deficit reduction for the long term. >> there's a piece in the "new york times" talking about the president's new negotiate i want aing style. it said mr. obama scat
we know we cannot deal with a serious deficit problem in this country as well as meeting our obligation to americans as well as making sure we protect the middle class. so he's put out a serious proposal of revenues and spending cuts and economic growth that does strengthen the middle class and get that economic growth. that's perfectly good starting point. the fact that speaker boehner rejected that, we're in a tough spot right now. what the republican leadership in the house has to do is say...
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far the white house and congressional republicans are still in disagreement over how to reduce the deficit and avoid a raft of tax hikes and spending cuts. yesterday our own jim cramer and maria bartiromo were on "meet the press" and cramer had a message for fellow panelists and father of the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. >> most ceos are republican. they're on board. they're not on board with you. they're not on board with you because they fear your view. they think you do not favor going -- you favor going over the cliff. that's what they think. they think that you favor -- >> just for the record since we're on tv. that's silly if they think that they shouldn't be ceos. >> it doesn't really matter. that's what they think. >> i want you to walk me up to that moment. >> behind the record. i like that too. >> i'm stuck. like grover is stuck with this pledge he made everybody take which is that they have to go over the cliff because they obviously will not ever say the word tax. they will only say revenue. i'm stuck speaking to many more ceos than grover norquist is. he thinks it's silly
far the white house and congressional republicans are still in disagreement over how to reduce the deficit and avoid a raft of tax hikes and spending cuts. yesterday our own jim cramer and maria bartiromo were on "meet the press" and cramer had a message for fellow panelists and father of the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. >> most ceos are republican. they're on board. they're not on board with you. they're not on board with you because they fear your view. they think you do...
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commissioned by the european union revealed earlier this year that there's a fifty nine billion euro deficit in the spanish banking sector any of the details of this developing story as we get it. other world news now south korea says it's looking to reroute all passenger planes over the yellow sea is to avoid any possible conclusion with daybreak from a long range missile that north korea is planning to launch later this month meanwhile japan is deploying missile interceptors saying they're prepared to down the rocket if it poses a threat insists the rocket will take a satellite into orbit but the u.s. south korea and japan claim it's carrying out intercontinental ballistic missile tests. two officers have died in two more injured in northwest pakistan but an explosion hit a police van the vehicle was patrolling the outskirts of the city of peshawar however it's unclear how the bomb was detonated in cities located in pakistan's volatile tribal region is often targeted by taliban militants. but coming up next an exploration on the dangers of living on the outskirts of the u.s. marine bombing
commissioned by the european union revealed earlier this year that there's a fifty nine billion euro deficit in the spanish banking sector any of the details of this developing story as we get it. other world news now south korea says it's looking to reroute all passenger planes over the yellow sea is to avoid any possible conclusion with daybreak from a long range missile that north korea is planning to launch later this month meanwhile japan is deploying missile interceptors saying they're...
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david, how much of the deficit, if we let the bush tax cuts sunset, how much of the deficit goes away? >> well, a significant percentage. >> like three quarters of it. >> it's not a good thing to do. it's going to push us back. >> when is it a good time? >> we need a down payment of both revenue and spending reductions, but we need to achieve four to five trillion over ten years through a grand bargain and we have to make sure that we're going to achieve a lot more than that beyond the ten years because we have 10,000 people a day retiring. health care costs are still out of control and we have to look long-term. that's why we say debt to gdp. >> somebody just sent in a really good question. that is with the president's health care plans, with obama care, does that change the debt to gdp in terms of taxes going up? >> it makes it worse. >> it's already going up. >> the affordable care act expanded cover an to 36 million people. it did not do enough to control costs. there are positive aspects of it, but according to the chief actuary of medicare, it's estimated to cost $12 trillion mo
david, how much of the deficit, if we let the bush tax cuts sunset, how much of the deficit goes away? >> well, a significant percentage. >> like three quarters of it. >> it's not a good thing to do. it's going to push us back. >> when is it a good time? >> we need a down payment of both revenue and spending reductions, but we need to achieve four to five trillion over ten years through a grand bargain and we have to make sure that we're going to achieve a lot more...
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rajoy has warned it will achieve the deficit target agreed with the eu. he said he couldn't guarantee there would nobody further spending cuts and he would not have any doubts about using the ecb's omt program, though of course with yields where they are at the moment, they don't have to. in fact we spoke to patrick garvey a little bit earlier today that suggests that the risk-on theme for debt will continuum at least the end of january. remember, spain will have another batch of pre-funding for 2013 later this week on thursday. otherwise that's it for today's edition. coming up, the first "squawk box" of the week and countdown to the open of markets state side. whatever happens, we hope you have a profitable day. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. tis the pursuit of perfection. >>> good morning. today's top stories. fiscal cliff hanger. there's now less than a m
rajoy has warned it will achieve the deficit target agreed with the eu. he said he couldn't guarantee there would nobody further spending cuts and he would not have any doubts about using the ecb's omt program, though of course with yields where they are at the moment, they don't have to. in fact we spoke to patrick garvey a little bit earlier today that suggests that the risk-on theme for debt will continuum at least the end of january. remember, spain will have another batch of pre-funding...